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  1. Bama_Gator

    Bama_Gator Four Star Poster
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    Is there any unethical, childish, illegal or unconstitutional action that you will not support?
    Lindsey Graham was prophetic.. too bad he sold his soul for his support. click and listen all the way through
     
  2. Orange_N_White

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    So you’re a no on Trump doing anything good
     
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    Never seen that interview with Graham. Pretty incredible. Think there’s anything beyond just trying to stay elected that seems to have changed Graham’s mind about Trump so much?
     
  4. Bama_Gator

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    Reading comprehension and shit.. being “ at risk “ means being in range of the mobile launched missiles during a surprise attack . Military bases are so close , the warning time from detection to impact can be a few seconds. These are not Iraqi 1990 Scuds they now have Russian guidance systems and are pretty accurate.
     
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    That is pretty broad ... I can’t say anything and everything there are some administrative actions forced on him by Congress. However I will repeat that he is the the most corrupt POTUS in history...the bad far outweighs any good- to the point where I can’t think of anything. Give me an example.
     
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    I should ask you the same- How many American deaths are worth Trump getting the publicity and ego boost of personally ordering an execution and holding up the head for all to see??? That’s what he wanted.

    The talk is that it was the least advisable of the many options presented. The downside being creation of a martyr figure.

    these are not rational people. They consider it a victory to die for a cause. He provided one. there will now be a dramatic increase in terrorist attacks - it is a certainty .
     
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    Plenty of Republicans too who were sold on Tinys campaign promise to extract us from “ endless wars” and invest in MAGA... infrastructure building walls, steel mills and shit. Now he has virtually guaranteed that there will be another front in the Middle East.

    Dead is dead. The fewer related consequences the better.

    You are only supporting your hero’s need for a trophy kill. We CONTROL the airport.... he’s in and out every month. A covert action with $10,000 roadside bomb, sniper or RPG hit would be a lot more economically practical than a $billion dollar war with MORE US casualties.
     
  8. BamaFan1137

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    In truth, it is bad because Trump did it. I have zero doubt that if he had decided not to kill him, and it was leaked that he had the opportunity to, you'd be blasting him similarly. I shit you not. That's where we are politically...and you aren't exactly behind the curve on that front. It's disgusting and exhausting.

    Maybe if you'll write a nicely worded letter, like the tweet from that retarded chic from Charmed, the Ayatollah will let you live???
     
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    How do you reach such people? With platitudes and olive branches? Or are you still sticking with tricking them with the Sunni assassination thingy? You can't be serious.

    And that's the rub for you. This is what's actually bothering you...anything that resembles a Trump win is bad on the face of it. Because if you guys acknowledge that Trump did something right or won tactically, well...the consequences are unimaginable, amirite?

    There's something to the title 'Never-Trumpers' isn't there? It's not just a name obviously so why in the hell should anyone listen to the nonsensical blather that flows from your faceholes?
     
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    here’s a test..

    Dons bro ( he says he loves him) Kim Jong Un really needs killing for a regime change and possibly save a billion lives in a real nuclear war.

    What is riskier to the US??

    1-take him out with poison or a car bomb?

    2-fly a drone over the DMZ during one of his frequent visits, blow him up and Trump claim he was executed?
     
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    And you honestly believe that would have taken the heat of us? If we had killed him another way, the Mullahs would have been cool with it?

    C'mon BG, stop the bullshit. Stick with the pig-headed angry never Trumper angle and just say it was bad because Trump did it. Stop with the ridiculous nonsense because anyway this POS died, Iran was gonna be pissed. There was always going to be a price to pay.

    The other option was to fear their response and allow this sadistic MF'er to continue to kill Americans, and our Allies, unabated.
     
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    Neither is viable....or one of the two would be done post-haste. Sorry to fvck up your test with one sentence.
     
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    Yeah.. considering that he has been implicated in Shiite vs Sunni atrocities for 30 yrs.... and those fvckers have been killing each other for 900 yrs.... nothing to it.
    It’s like gang violence in the projects. You are the one being obtuse.
     
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    you are in denial. If it’s a car bomb ( EASY and common) and there is a broadcast claim of credit from Sunnis ... can’t blame the US. Just another dead raghead.... but Trump wouldn’t have got his trophy and played wannabe brave warrior.

    When will he order his 3rd world general uniform and have his military parade??
     
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    You cannot be serious.

    Let's pretend we actually accomplish the trick and the Ayatollah believes the Sunnis killed him. That's a big fvcking if and find it unlikely despite the fact that you have been in the region for a business trip. But still, I'll play along....what then?

    Does Iran respond? If you think so, how? If you think not...are you fvcking high?

    How do they respond? Is their response something that we just tolerate? Do you think maybe their response also affects the Straits, oil supply and the price of crude that you mentioned previously was something that Trump hadn't considered?

    If Soleimani died, there was always going to be a response that we wouldn't like and that we wouldn't be able to ignore or tolerate. To say otherwise is a flat out fvcking lie. Just stop already. This is stupid.
     
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    So in that scenario there is no price to pay that we cannot tolerate? The Iranians react responsibly, because they're known for that, and that's the end? That seriously what you believe?

    PS, the Iranians are a bit more tied into Iraq than you give them credit for. Your "trick" doesn't fool them and he's likely tipped off before he drives past your $10k car bomb. But if he doesn't, and we manage to kill him, 2 days later Iran knows exactly how it happened.

    The downside to that is that it isn't a show of strength and they don't believe our response will be bigger than their response. They respect power. Fear is the only motivator that will work on a tyrant.
     
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    iran harasses oil tankers and merchant ships

    Iran shoots down drone in international airspace

    Iran strikes Aramco oil fields

    Iran minions attack US Embassy in Iraq


    Gator - “Trump wants an ego boost”

    you have to work at being this deranged gator

    pull your head out of your ass
     
  18. Orange_N_White

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    you’re literally shaking

    calm down
     
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  19. dhetiger

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    Iran is in the middle of its worst economic crisis due to sanctions imposed by the US. The limits on their oil exports have been crippling. Any drastic actions by Iran would room their leadership as their oil producing capabilities would be destroyed. They are crazy, but they aren't stupid.
     
  20. Sanctions Stand

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    Gator, the Orangeman could put chocolate, whipped cream and sprinkles on your ice cream and you would bitch about it. Sit back an enjoy the work of the Orangeman!
     
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    gas up a few pennies and Merca does not rely nearly as much now as it use to on Persian gulf oil. Try again.
     
  22. Bama_Gator

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    I agree with Tucker Carlson. Is he a Lib???
    Public execution creating a martyr is not the way to extract armed forces from Middle East.
    Too easy a decision to achieve the same result with a covert action. There is something more in play.

    I say let the Middle East burn. They’ve been doing that since Xerxes. Bring troops home and Let them blow themselves up . MAGA !! Use the money to build infrastructure and border fences.
     
  23. Orange_N_White

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    If Trump used a seal team you’d have bitched that it needed to be public.


    Your outrage isn’t about Foreign policy and you know it
     
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    Nope...but then again, he doesn't disagree with everything that Trump does based on the fact that Trump did it. You OTOH...

    I get Tucker's point, he's just wrong on this one. The US doesn't have to kill every bad guy. But this one needed killing and Iran needed a big 'fvck you, your move' moment.
     
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    my outrage is about prolonging the cost of a US military presence to guard sand. Tiny said the same thing... now he dove back in head first.

    Reduce deficit spending, build US infrastructure and border fence... MAGA!!
     
  26. BamaFan1137

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    Not necessarily. If the Ayatollah saves face in a manner that we can stomach, that will be that. I would recommend that course.

    If we had hidden behind the Sunnis, the Shia would have been emboldened and much less worried about how their response would be tolerated.

    It's entirely possible that this thing could spiral. If it does, it'll be bad for everyone. It'll be worse for Iran, obviously. As a matter of course, as sure as you hate Trump with every fiber of your conservativism, Iran loses this confrontation.
     
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    One word for you: petrodollars.
     
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    This, and that was my point earlier in the thread. Shiites would be more than happy to attack Sunnis. While that sounds good to people who think that it's perfectly fine for Arabs to kill each other, there is no way to know if Iran (Shia) would blame and attack the Saudis (Sunni). If the concern is Iran shutting down the Middle East oil exports, I think it would be far worse if Iran thought it was SA as opposed to the U.S. Their leadership knows that the US will annihilate their country.
     
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    EU and pacific rim countries are more dependent. US stands more to gain by developing domestic oil reserves. It’s more a consideration for protection of the corrupt Saudi Royal family.
     

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