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  1. Sanctions Stand

    Sanctions Stand Three Star Poster
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    52 F35A Lightning II fighters take off. Same number take off as the number of targets OrangeMan said would be hit in Iran if they fvck with us.



    U.S. Air Force performs huge show of strength with 52 fully-armed F-35A Lightning II stealth fighters - the same number of Iranian targets Trump has announced - taking off in a single wave from Utah base
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...alth-fighters-Utah.html#v-1221920391911224350
     
  2. HONKifUvCOACHED4BAMA

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    God Bless ‘mahrcuh and God Bless fotee five!
     
  3. Bama_Gator

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    Iran has state of the art AA and microwave detection purchased from Russia and China in exchange for oil. Why use F35As and risk aircraft and pilot casualties when King Trump can launch cruise missiles from a couple of Ohio class SSGN boomers - virtually undetected. They wouldn’t even know until impact. He could tweet... “ see what I did while sitting on the crapper?”
     
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    Not for nothing but it would be easier for Iran to track a cruise missile than it would be to track an F35.
     
  5. Sanctions Stand

    Sanctions Stand Three Star Poster
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    US vs Iran is like the 1989 49ers vs. The YMCA 65lb 12 and under football teams competing. I have to laugh.
     
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    My friend at Raytheon -Redstone Arsenal calls bullshit and asks for your advice to improve air defense vulnerabilities vs Cruise missiles.

    #1 the first cruises launched are the low level radar seekers. Maybe you know something he doesn’t.. He says it’s not impossible but the new Tomahawks can skim the water at 60ft at Mach 0 .9 to avoid radar and sonic booms. Radar is line of sight and The curvature of the earth allows 8 miles of horizon visibility at 60ft.

    Iran is not known to own any AWACS or thermal imaging satellites . It’s possible that shared Soviet or Chinese thermal satellite imaging could detect the heat signature but not until it’s too late.

    Also a cruise launched at altitude from any stealth aircraft reveals that position on satellite thermal detection grids.

    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...-on-oil-facilities-even-with-top-us-defenses/

    Finally- $120M aircraft and pilot vs $1.8M unmanned Tomahawk??.
     
  7. Sanctions Stand

    Sanctions Stand Three Star Poster
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    Well sh@t... I think they got those 2 humped camels over there to. I guess you win. I'm turning a new leaf and I'm voting for Joe Biden!
     
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  8. Bama_Gator

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    You think the Iranians are more less advanced than the Serbs in 99?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_F-117A_shootdown

    Point being.. stealth is a relative term. Networked Radar arrays can get a brief lock.
    Give me a sub launched Tomahawk.
     
  9. BamaFan1137

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    My uncle at Raytheon thinks your friend is retarded. Cruise missiles can and have been tracked and "probably" shot down, perhaps several of them, as recently as the last time we fired them at Syria's chemical weapons storage facilities. They're also highly susceptible to saturated AAA fire. Their stealth capabilities are orders of magnitude less effective than the F35.

    No one, and I mean no one, can track an F35. Occasionally the most advanced radar systems can achieve a "blip" but NOTHING approaching a firing solution or a radar track. Additionally, the F35 has active stealth as opposed to rudimentary passive stealth found on the newest cruise missiles and even the geometry and stealth coatings on the cruise missiles are a generation behind what you'd find on the F22 and F35.
     
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  10. BamaFan1137

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    So you're comparing the 1970's era Hopeless Diamond approach to the modern stealth on the F35? That's brilliant BG.

    The F117 was built to defeat entirely different wavelengths of radar. The difference in RCS between the two aircrafts is significant using modern radar.

    Ironically, most experts believe that the F117 would defeat almost all of Iran's current defense network because most of it consists of antiquated, older wavelength Russian and Chinese radar systems.
     
  11. ZosoDawg

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    Either wayyou look at it, I think we can probably agree those rag headed camel jockeys are about to have a bad day
     
  12. BamaFan1137

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    I'm guessing that you will see a combo of cruise missiles from B-2's and subs and JDAM's and JASSM's from F35's if and when it becomes necessary.
     
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    Seems like we have been using cruise missiles as an alternative to putting pilots at risk, either as a limited strategic strike or as a method to soften enemy defenses before we send in the bulk of our aircraft.

    I believe they might use stealth fighters early to knock out comms and radar in order to reduce the enemy’s defensive effectiveness before the main strike. Not an expert, but common sense coupled with a few conversations with former and current AF dudes.
     
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    I like my cruise mussels with a white wine and garlic sauce.
     
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    that is probably correct. Basically what we did in the gulf war. Greatly reduces loss of life early in the fight. Knock out radar and defense systems from afar, then if necessary put boots on the ground. Hopefully the first handful of sorties loaded with daisy cutters will send the rats to their deep underground holes and begging us to stop.
     
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    I had half a bottle of wine with dinner, so that makes sense to me.
     
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  17. Sanctions Stand

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    Appears Iran shot 10 missiles into bases where most US soldiers were moved away. Have heard of no casualties. The Orangeman is assessing. Iran had to do something so they farted into the dust storm. Keep pushing and they go BOOM.
     
  18. Sanctions Stand

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    Well in response, the Iranian's launched 10 missiles, killed a few chickens and scared the camp goat off.... then they claimed victory right after they mistakenly shot down a Ukrainian commercial aircraft. Hell of a display of military might. OrangeMan sez everything is 'All right'
     
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  19. Bama_Gator

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    And the 17/19 undetected Precision hits by cruise missiles and drones on the Saudi oil facilities
    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...-on-oil-facilities-even-with-top-us-defenses/
     
  20. Sanctions Stand

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    I’m LMAO at the liberals backing the sand-diggers who routinely behead women for “allowing” themselves to get raped or wearing something other than a burka or driving a car!

    What happened to women’s rights, you fukctard liberals?
     
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  22. Sanctions Stand

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    yep, hang LGBT in the streets, threaten terrorist attacks on US and allies but the Orangeman is abusing his power.
     
  23. Bama_Gator

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    Did you people like the Vietnam war? No American did. Trump is just like the Nixon admistration.in 1973 another useless war. Just keep bombing them .. kill their generals!!

    .no problem.. vC were Inferior opponents that we can bomb out of existence until they got Soviet and Chinese AA rockets - rice farmers shot down 19 B52s during operation Linebacker in a month. Worst thought through strategy ever till now. The rice farmers shot down 2000 F4s and half our pilots.

    Tiny promised to end endless wars... killing another countries like a Schwarzkopf, Powell, General macAuthur or Eisenhower wouldnt have pissed us off at all . Think about that.

    useless wars are useless , our POTUS developed overnight bone spurs because he was a coward... and still is
     
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    Did you back Vietnam war when you wanted troops back home against the commands of LBJ and Nixon? Congress forced them to shut it down.
     
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    There’s no effing parallel to the Vietnam war. The US came into Vietnam to support the side the French left in control after Vietnam’s rebellion against France

    Iran is an external actor in Iraq, Yemen, Syria and Lebanon- and there are several factions in Iraq wanting them out. Iraqis are Arabs; Iranians are Persians

    You carry your Trump hatred to illogical levels
     
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    It's a troll. It's one of the most ridiculous things that he's ever posted on this, or any, board.
     
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    Breitbart
    Flashback: Iran’s Soleimani Hired Mexican Cartel Associate to Assassinate Saudi Ambassador on U.S. Soil

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    JAESON JONES 3 Jan 2020
    In May 2011, discussions began secretly in Mexico between a known Los Zetas associate and Quds Force operative Manssor Arbabsiar. The discussion would lead to planning a C-4 detonation at a Washington, D.C. restaurant frequented by Saudi Ambassador Adel al-Jubeir. The Quds Force operative did not know that he was being recorded in a DEA operation.

    Over the course of a few months, several clandestine meetings in Mexico planned strikes against the Israeli Embassy in Washington, plus and the Saudi and Israeli Embassies in Argentina. New opium trafficking lanes between the Middle East and Mexico were also charted.
    In July 2011, Arbabsiar returned to Mexico to continue meeting with the DEA informant. He explained that his bosses in Iran had plans for more violence, in addition to the Saudi ambassador’s murder. On July 14, the informant told the DEA that Arbabsiar recruited four men to carry out the plot and would charge a total of $1.5 million USD. Advance payments of nearly $50,000 were wired to an FBI-controlled bank account in an overt act of validating the conspiracy.
    In October 2011, operative Arbabsiar and an Iran-based member of the Quds Force, Gholam Shakuri, were arrested by federal agents, according to New York Times reporting at the time. The two men were charged with conspiracy to murder a foreign official, use weapons of mass destruction, and conspiracy to commit an act of terrorism, among others. Arbabsiar later confessed to the charges and reportedly cooperated with authorities.

    While the foiled plot was deemed a success for the DEA, FBI, and Mexico City, others noted the United States’ luck that the person recruited by the Soleimani Quds Force agent happened to be a federal informant. The operation also solidified the fact that state sponsors of terror had a propensity to work with non-state actors in Mexico as violent proxies.

    The effort to open a new smuggling lane between the Middle East and Mexico generated further concern. Today, cartels have demonstrably expanded to Europe, Australia, New Zealand, China, and Russia.
    In late 2011, the investigation was part of the reason U.S. Congressman Michael McCaul (R-TX) led the first attempt to designate Mexican cartels as Foreign Terrorist Organizations–which ultimately failed. The event underscores the potential value a terrorist organization may enjoy in collaborating with a willing cartel.

    Jaeson Jones is a retired Captain from the Texas Department of Public Safety’s Intelligence and Counterterrorism Division and a Breitbart Texas contributor. While on duty, he managed daily operations for the Texas Rangers Border Security Operations Center.
     
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    That’s because the socialists don’t care about rights or people. They care about votes and power.

    God help those same groups if the socialists or Muslims gained power in the US. Both would exterminate them.
     
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    You’re grasping at straws comparing the politics of Vietnam with the Middle East. I would agree we should tread carefully and Trump should be more guarded with his remarks and rhetoric. At the same time, most of us learned the best way to deal with the bully kid growing up was to sock him in the mouth a couple of times. When an agent of another nation organizes an attack on US soil - which by definition includes our embassies - an appropriate response is warranted.
     
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    Iran feared our response. I think their fear was reasonable and appropriate. It's been a while since they've felt that way about a POTUS.
     
  31. Bama_Gator

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    This is proof of the effectiveness of FBI, CIA and NSA intelligence.

    Pick a position ...

    They are magnificent and credible when they correctly provide exact times and location of enemy combatants and terrorists.

    However, those same organizations are inept and corrupt when they monitor political contributions and influence vs Individual 1 and his indicted campaign staff.

    I expect an interesting and conflicting reply .
     
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    You should have expected a blank stare. WTF are you on about now?

    Regarding your confounding ramblings re: the CIA, FBI and NSA, it was actually the DEA this time. They were following the Cartel dude and it led them to this plot. That's how police work happens sometimes...so I hear.
     
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    The article did reference the corrupt FBI twice.... and I’m quite sure that the corrupt CIA was involved in coordination of international intelligence since that is their mission.
    The cartel guys will probably now use the Stone /Manafort / Gates defense , find the political affiliation of the arresting officer and claim bias.
     
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    My post had nothing to do with a corrupt US law enforcement agency of any kind. I have no idea why you've decided to go down that particular rabbit hole.

    However, it was the DEA that uncovered the plot.
     

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